I’ve always been into the gadgets and I guess when I first saw a computer — I’m trying to think if it was third — it might have been third grade. It was pretty early on actually and it was an early TRS-80, you know, Radio Shack. Kind of the original Radio Shack TRS-80 computer, 4K of memory. I think this one had the 4K or the 8K expansion module, which was like as big as a desk, you know, and learned how to program Basic on it. And I used to actually cut gym and sneak into the computer room — which wasn’t really a room, it was a closet where they kept the computer between classes — and played on the computer.