We were in the National Guard band, which was an all black unit, which was funny, because Bumps Blackwell, who had the pop band we were in, he was the commanding officer, and we’d go out to Fort Lewis for about three months in the summer time with the band. And, we were master sergeants and all that stuff, and staff sergeants because we were musicians, definitely not because we were soldiers, because we didn’t really get that at all. You know, marching and the discipline of what the military thing was about, because we — it wasn’t real because we were National Guard. We were young kids in the National Guard. We put our ages up. We were 14 years old.